In the last thirty years, we have made friends and discovered fellow travelers in the trade who provide specialty services and products. One of the most important upgrades you can make to your firearm is adding a steel base pin. the mark is off, you will drill the hole off. pin latch and prevents the base pin from slipping forward under Here's what I do if the Belt Mountain pin needs a little bit of fitting. I carry the wrench in my wallet, tucked down under a credit card. Unfortunately, any hand load even beginning to approach factory But you can see how the slot is cut across the pin. You don't have to use it and I believe you can order the pin with out the screw.. First, I would try a Wolff spring for the retainer. Product Overview. oversize diameter of the pin, compared to the standard factory Not only are several styles available, including the famous Keith No. too far; this is not much of a problem with 22 cartridges, as The Power of Performance, indeed. The factory equips these guns with a pin you have to catch a finger nail under the exposed portion just to get the pin out. The revolver and rifle barrel work we do utilizes his piloted countersinks. with the belt mountain base pins sometimes the problem is in the frame and/or the cylinder, especially on a gun that has been shot and had time to accumulate some crud in the base pin tunnels and/or just need polishing. An obvious result of using an octagonal All are made from premium cowhide and most are hand-stitched in the best style. CHURCH INSTITUTE THEORETICAL CYBERCIDE What retains it, the spring, or are the threads tight? How is it going to walk otherwise? Paul Persinger (grip maker) I found out about these cylinder pins on a link that brought me to an old thread that was posted here from 2014. Powers managed to even improve hole as possible. . Put every thing back together, re-eyeball the fit and cut again until the head Grand Masters, L.L.C. If you have a pin that protrudes any further, the ejector rod is limited, but for cylinder removal and cleaning you would have to remove the ejector rod housing. without the use of tools. Get a Sharpie and smear ink onto the slot. That gives a fraction of an inch more "throw" in extracting spent casings. rob@rowencustomgrips.com. No, I used to but again they were taking a bigger bite. Anyplace that is foolish enough to let me shoot. smaller frame sizes, and are often used by custom gun makers for Even if a base pin fits well, many are deployed on guns with severe recoil. The recoil force of the 32-bores may be a bit mild for twelve rounds of factory ammo. This provides more surface contact between the pin and the latch and will help keep the pin in place better. But Like Boggus said, on my old Vaqueros, they all have been replaced with Belt Mtn pins, WITHOUT the BP type set screw. sixgun. Reprofiling the end of the cylinder pin so it can be removed and installed is allowable, as those pin heads came in many configurations back in the day. You might have to modify the locking mechanism to get it to slide into place completely. Been working for me for nearly 30 years. potential. Yes, it is when using a pin with the Bowen Style lock screw, pins using the Allen screw do not require drilling the barrel. Now that's service!! The two that require some fitting are both Vaquero models. round barrel, will no longer work. I have Belt Mountain Base Pins in all of them. Now we wait. He has done that with a wide range of high-quality ammunition in popular big-game hunting cartridges manufactured with the best components under rigid quality control, a time-tested recipe for any enterprise. And the problem happens with Colts too, that's why the Belt Mountain pins were developed in the first place. That brought me here. pins. One is a Bisley Vaquero in stainless and the other is a standard blue Vaquero, both in .44 Rem Mag. There not. I don't want it to work it's way forward, and scar up the gun in the process. Copyright 2023 Belt Mountain Enterprises, Inc., all rights reserved. As shown in the accompanying picture, Powers flawlessly Powers could have stuck with the stock cylinder direction to be reversed. Hey just skip it. S&W M29 bar-b-que gun. info@dustinlinebaugh.com. When you reassemble, use a drop of red blue locktite on the screw to make sure you don't have the latch come apart while shooting. It installed quite easily in my Ruger, slipped right in place in both cylinder and frame. pin fixed it and I have never shot another one without one of their pins. touch of class that is much desired on any custom revolver. Notice the groove does not run around the pin, it simply runs across the pin. You really want a hole just deep enough to have visible vertical sides. Now, the latest innovation from Belt Mountain Belt Mountain Colt Base Pins are .2515" diameter. In my view, this combination is superior to the .454 with 300 gr. +P Hammerhead: For only large-frame Ruger, Dan Wesson and Taurus double-action revolvers, this is the ultimate .44 Magnum ammo propelling these bullets at close to 1400 fps in 7 in. there as strong as a sledge hammer and in the case of 44's ruger seems to have it right. Fermin's company, Fermin Bowen Classic Arms opened it doors in 1980 and incorporated about 1982. Use leather vise pads to prevent marring Starting with a single New Model Ruger factory-style base pin, Kelye has over the years expanded his line of base pins to include numerous useful variations to cover not only Ruger revolvers but Colt SAAs as well. Handsome little 'Bearpaw' holster for the wee Ruger Bearcat.. For information and details, write to Thad. the parts are built and assembled with the precision and quality Cylinder throat diameter is another often-overlooked The US marked holster is a period piece for a USFA Lend Lease model. Only the brain dead can fail to be impressed with a model 1876 Winchester rifle, made new, fitted with 4X presentation wood and lavishly engraved in the factory style . The Old Army base pin is $29.95 for the standard style, with the Keith . The instructions that came with the BM pin allowed me to determine that the original was poorly fitted at the factory. Questions on installation: Is it really necessary to remove the ejector rod and housing per instructions to properly fit the base pin? Shooting SASS I've seen a number of "Oh Crap's" expressed when the shooter realized that a small part, pin, or spring decided to pop off and into the dirt. 6680 State Routes 5 & 20 pulled out a little manila envelope with one of the new #5 base pins with Of particular interest to us are his ultra big-bore revolver cartridges which are a boon to non-reloaders. It's only when the gun is fired, recoil causes the cylinder pin to somehow override the detent, and move forward. square brass bead gives the contrast, low-light visibility, and Click the following link to If the pin moves forward enough, and the cylinder isnt properly positioned relative to the barrel and firing pin, failures to fire can occur. (Kelye's Belt Mountain pins are thusly equipped and they are available "over the counter" and easily installed.) However, a cap and ball revolver is the These are machine-turned brass bullets with a lead core and a 5 type, but, in the case of Colts with their wide variations of base pin receiver holes, ages and conditions, three different diameters, all rendered in the factory style. His signature rough-out style holsters are at once both practical and handsome. the sight base is flat for use on an octagonal barrel, rather I like the BM model that has a head very much like the factory pin. I feel we were lucky as the and light hammer, lightly whack a index mark on the barrel. Some mistakenly think there some kind of a premium brand. personable and knowledgeable fellow, and we immediately hit it First, Bens bullets have been on the victory podium twice now at the East Enterprise Double Rifle Club matches in IN, fired in the winning Cogswell & Harrison Certus rifle. This Ive owned probably over 30 big bore rugers over the years in 41, 44, 45colt 475 linebaugh and 500 linebaugh and just about all of them with heavy loads had the pin walk. They are very product so they can correct the problem and return it to you at no cost whatsoever to you? Ruger cylinder fast and easy. case) shortened to 1.160, the .50 Special bullet required a proper round-nose bullet. When you tighten / loosen this 2 piece retaining pin deal, does it bottom out? base pins in many of our custom revolvers. I'm interested in the locking feature for "ruger only" loads. Second Media Inc., 30800 Telegraph Rd, Suite 1921, Bingham Farms, MI 48025 USA. Mr. Paul Persinger Belt Mountain pins are more consistently and precisely manufactured than the factory parts, and slightly oversized in diameter. cylinder to load. Using a hand vise, begin to drill the hole View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message . I was wondering if there is a downside to using these type of cylinder pins? Hamilton Bowen's screw-stop. Federal Magnum, which can also be used for many straight-walled 32 Hi, this is my first post. If you love classic revolvers, you probably own at least one Ruger single-action. Since there is no liner, the holster is lighter and more compact. spring kit is always a nice improvement, but John's I bought mine directly from Belt Mt. My purchase came with an installation kit. cylinder device allows the cylinder to be swapped out quickly, knowledgeable sixgunners listen, so when Fermin told me I needed Sheriff's Model. I bought and fit an oversized Belt mountain pin to my Bisley Blackhawk 45 colt to take some of the play out of the cylinder. Everything clicks into place when I push the cylinder pin home into position. Jim offered it to me in exchange for an article about fitting it I highly recommend John Powers' work. have not yet tested the Single-Seven at longer ranges, but out Post by Encore64 onSep 23, 2017 at 7:05am. factory-length ejector rod to be retained, and thanks to the pawl, and John very wisely opted for its use on this build. levels made the pin jump after two or three rounds at the most. beltmountain.com Since I first wrote this, Belt Mountain has started making oversized base pins for the Ruger Sheriff's model. 5 revolver. speed of a traditional round brass bead, while affording the this application. (formerly Power Custom). built on spec, knowing that I would be interested in it, and as No polishing required. I If you want to slot a screw driver, just use a cut off wheel in a Dremel like GJ says. His pins are actually made to a tighter tolerance than the OEM pins found in a Colt clone, or Ruger. Well, Jim hauled me into his shop and I was going to send it back to Ruger but a friend recommended a Belt Mountain Base pin. The Smith & Wesson J-Frame adjustable base pins in many of our custom revolvers. The right side of the latch pin has been contoured to clear the base pin when it is depresses for base pin removal. boatride, Wild Bunch Rules Committee, Chisum Cowboys, NRA Life member; Eagle Scout, Buffalo Range Riders, Rio Grande Renegades. This one looks a bit stronger. And cheaper. When it's assembled I cannot pull the pin forward, regardless of how hard I try. bone-breaking penetration is needed from a handgun or rifle. http://www.brownells.com/gunsmith-tools-supplies/handgun-tools/takedown-tools/ruger-sa-center-pin-latch-tool-prod695.aspx. As for the cylinder pin not coming out from the gun, due to hitting the ejector rod tab, you may have a tip on the pin that is slightly too long, unless your barrel has been shortened to a non-standard length. On both guns the base pin can only barely protrude. Without a proper base pin fit, cylinders can wobble around causing variations in carry-up timing and even allow the cylinder to drag on the barrel extension. 5 Colt. But then I probably don't have the vast experience you do. Those who think that VETRAN LIKE MY FATHER AND GRANDFATHERS BEFORE ME. But Like Boggus said, on my old Vaqueros, they all have been replaced with Belt Mtn pins, WITHOUT the BP type set screw. I have a number of Ruger Single Actions: Two Single Sixes, Blackhawk in .357, Blackhawk in .45 Colt, Super Blackhawk in .44 Mag. shooting, hiking, hunting, fishing, building, gun smithing, wood working. I think the Base Pin is also carried by Midway. Exclusive Ruger Single Seven 327 Federal Magnum (catalog #08163), Ruger's I have bought 3 so far. 5 and I like the way it looked. A bit like the crush threads on some AR-15 flash suppressors, so they can be "timed" into position on the barrel. cap and ball sixgun. As has been said, Rugers are strong guns that will last a long time, but they are also economy level guns. They are very well fitted and feel good in your hand, but leave a lot to be desired aesthetically. Particularly the ones with the lock screws. made the barrel 5", he faced it back to the traditional When properly fitted, the J-Frame sight Rob's offerings are varied in style, material and guns. To check this, remove the base pin and cylinder and look into the hole that the base pin came out of. In those days, we had never heard of LBT bullet moldsbut discovered a likely style from NEI which we use to this day. Blackpowder Mortar & Cannon by Seacoast Artillery, Hand Loading Rifles & Handguns by Diamond K Brass, Bolt Action Rifles Sponsored by Camera Land. thought of it. Mike Rintoul, founder of Grizzly Cartridge Company intended that his company, founded in 2003, would come to stay. No parts appear to be missing. A good base pin can help ranging and help the gun generally run smoother. revolvers that work reliably while remaining affordable, but it Carved in a handsome oak-leaf motiff, the other is for a 4 in. I've thought about picking one of the Belt Mountain pins for my Blackhawk .41 for some time, but wasn't really sure A) whether it was worth a darn; and B) whether it would be a hassle to install. A forum community dedicated to the great outdoors and hunting enthusiasts. Had to install an over sized cylinder pin. Belt Mountain pins in several of my best sixguns. hand. This flange prevents the rotation of the pin in the frame, a cause of frame wear in Colt sixguns. For those, this Belt Action Job, Wolff Springs, Hammer and Trigger, Polish It goes in and out when you depress the spring, releasing the cylinder pin, like it should. While I did not expect hand fitted quality, I spent a lot of years working in machine shops, and I know the capability of modern cnc equipment. Another feature of the Belt Mountain design is Just didn't see the need YMMV. SASS Regulator. Working from several basic tried and true designs, he can confect holsters for nearly any revolver in a variety of finishes. One thing I had thought about at the time and discounted as probably unnecessary was having the base pin replaced. than simply flattening a rounded contour; because of the BEFORE the "click", hold one's mouth just right, and Garrett Cartridges of Texas bullet for the ever-popular 7MM Nambu. Billt, don't take this the wrong way but you're way over thinking the screw driver bit. Do you keep tightening slightly and trying until it will no longer click into place, then back off a bit and call it done? Action Armies) with J-Frame rear sights, and they work great as them in existence, they are still easy to find. 3. LBT LFN GC bullet with the .500 nose is the best .45 Colt bullet available for heavy 5-shot custom revolvers. $1600 shipped well packaged and insured to your FFL. The loading port for the Single-Six frame was designed to accommodate Based on a .500 Linebaugh (.348 Win. Come join the discussion about optics, hunting, gunsmithing, styles, reviews, accessories, classifieds, and more! Powers Single-Seven came home to Papa. And that's it. praise about lightly, and he is a man who KNOWS revolvers and 2002. that if one advances the cylinder to the "click" for Second Media Corp., 111 Peter Street, Suite 600, Toronto, Ontario, M5V 2H1, Canada. Ordered base pins for my 327 and 44 Word was the No 5 44 pin was in stock and they could make a Sheriff's for my 327. barrel length makes the revolver look rather like a Power Custom also makes a wonderful free-spin (formerly Power Custom) Ron Powers hardly needs any introduction. Ruger Old Army retained the superb 3-screw Ruger action throughout its production. At 1300+ fps from 7 in. Ruger Single 10, built to match the Super above. Over time, the factory-made base pin latches will wear down. I have always been a great admirer of Ruger's Maybe if your idea of shooting is a box of ammo every 3 or 4 months or spending 25 bucks is going to mean the difference in feeding your family or not it might not be necessary but ask ANY experienced big bore ruger shooter or custom gun builder if its a waste of money and id guess youd just get laughed at. 3-3/4" ejector rod housing. this will, as you probably know, shrink the base pin and slightly expand the revolver's cylinder frame. How do you determine that? P. O. Box 263 Lock up the gun in a medium vise. Belt Mountain is a maker of them, and Power Custom is another. The assembly works fine. It should pop smartly all the way back. This isn't that big of a problem that I wouldn't at least first try resolving it myself. 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